tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post5393145137874331896..comments2023-10-10T03:21:23.580-04:00Comments on Motown Sports Revival: Top 100 Baseball Players of All-TimeJakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16208921021297172480noreply@blogger.comBlogger204125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-79269769028084045962013-04-14T18:01:00.878-04:002013-04-14T18:01:00.878-04:00wheres bo jackson?wheres bo jackson?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-15994449771450301992012-09-04T00:04:13.776-04:002012-09-04T00:04:13.776-04:00I love the list for the most part but putting Ichi...I love the list for the most part but putting Ichiro Suzuki ahead of Hall of Famer Robin Yount is absurd<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-1688342862888331232012-08-05T10:52:15.483-04:002012-08-05T10:52:15.483-04:00George Sisler? Having the single season hit record...George Sisler? Having the single season hit record doesnt make him a HOFer, no different than Roger Maris (thats generous!) at best. Sisler was the epitomy of a singles hitter, Jeter (barf) deserves to make the list well before him. When you consider the type of game he had, Cobb, Shoeless Joe, and other guys just overperformed him. <br /><br />Duke Snider...at absolute BEST he would be behind Mays, Mantle, Williams, DiMaggio, Griffey, & Bonds (probably a half dozen more I can think of, so youre talking about arguably the #6-25 best OF. Yeah, major snub there...who would you take out to add them?<br /><br />I dont mind if you hate on Bonds, but a) he's top 5, period. I cant tell you who took what with regards to PEDs, and there is no way to figure any of that out, but it doesnt matter - they let him play, and his numbers are Godly. b)Aaron at 11 is an abomination of a selection, same with Nolan Ryan and Lefty Grove. Do you even look at peoples stats at all? Im surpised your list didnt have Chipper Jones #1, and Barry Larkin #2 lol...THAT is how bad that top 20 you have was. <br /><br />I would say that Cobb, Ruth, Mays, Williams, and Bonds are the top #5 in whatever you want after Cobb and Ruth. Everything else is kind of a matter of perspective.<br /><br />Great work.BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01793202937414309823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-23518957925656907932012-06-26T01:46:42.036-04:002012-06-26T01:46:42.036-04:00My top 10 list as far as just position players wou...My top 10 list as far as just position players would be: <br />1Babe Ruth<br />2Ted Williams<br />3Lou Gehrig<br />4Willie Mays<br />5Hank Aaron<br />6Ty Cobb<br />7Mickey Mantle<br />8Stan Musial<br />9Rogers Hornsby<br />10Joe DiMaggioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-70521221288049121562012-06-26T01:43:18.635-04:002012-06-26T01:43:18.635-04:00I respect anyone who comes up with an all-time top...I respect anyone who comes up with an all-time top 100 list. That is very difficult to do. Obviously there are a number of different opinions. I disagree with a few players rankings, but good job. I will say one thing, I think people put too much emphasis on how many wins a pitcher has. Yes it's important for the team, but I don't think you can fault a pitcher for being on a bad team. I think ERA and strikeouts more so determine a good pitcher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-60845978412688573052012-06-04T22:44:47.124-04:002012-06-04T22:44:47.124-04:00Eddie "Cocky" Collins 2B Played 24 seas...Eddie "Cocky" Collins 2B Played 24 seasons. .333 career hitter, 3300 hits, 744 stolen bases, AL MVP in 1914, 4x world series champion, HALL OF FAMER. Definitely needs to be on the list wouldn't you say?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-28331544103818071242011-11-22T21:49:56.116-05:002011-11-22T21:49:56.116-05:00I think you also have to discount the fact that pl...I think you also have to discount the fact that players from 1980-present have the luxury of being a DH. Because of this, many players (Frank Thomas, Gary Sheffield, Rafael Palmerio, Jim Thome, Vladimir Guerrero) had their careers extended because they didn't have the day to day grind of fielding. Mantle, Mays, McCovey all could have extended their careers if they were a DH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-54788205170338400962011-10-30T04:35:35.621-04:002011-10-30T04:35:35.621-04:00My list has always had Ruth as number 1. He quite...My list has always had Ruth as number 1. He quite possibly could have been the best pitcher of all time. He was regarded by the other players and media as the second best pitcher in baseball after Walter Johnson. But I believe there is some stat that shows Ruth beat Johnson more often in head to head meetings.<br /><br />Willie Mays is clearly the second best player of all time; that is almost as obvious as Ruth being the best.<br /><br />I have not really distinguished the difference between the next group, so I will just list them all together:<br /><br />Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Walter Johnson, Barry Bonds, Hank AaronStan daMannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-17219920807658984912011-10-30T04:29:41.170-04:002011-10-30T04:29:41.170-04:00The "runs created" statistic is overrate...The "runs created" statistic is overrated and overemphasized. Tony Gwynn is way too low on your list.<br /><br />Willie Mays is by far and away the second best player of all time. The stats emphasis has no way of judging defense, speed, baserunning, and overall baseball savvy. <br /><br />Willie was regarded as a baseball genius. He knew all the hitters, he knew how each of his pitchers was attacking them, he read the hitters to see where they were going, he positioned his fielders.<br />He matched the Cobb speed, hustle and savvy with the Ruth power. Willie was a man among boys; so say the players of that era almost unanimously-- he was the best.<br /><br />The two most overrated hall of famers, who also do not belong on your list, are Ryne Sandberg, and Cal Ripken. Sandberg was a 3rd baseman playing second who didn't have the range required for the position, and was an average hitter.<br /><br />Ripken's average year was around 24home runs, 85 RBI, and .285 average. Those are not hall of fame or top 100 numbers.<br /><br />He was a below average defensive shortstop. Because his relatives were managers and coaches on the team, he was allowed to play every day and go for the record.<br /><br />He played when he was tired and hurt, when a healthy player would have done better than him that day. Had he been rested, he would have played better in subsequent games. In some respects, he was the most selfish player of all time.<br /><br />The list seriously underrates Roberto Clemente. He was a phenomenal clutch player, who could turn it on in pressure situations when he was really needed. In 14 world series games, he got at least one hit in every game. And each time, his team was a huge underdog, but won anyway.<br /><br />Clemente also had more outfield assists than any player after 1920. He was a demon on the field who always gave 100%. He won multiple batting titles in a pitchers' era.<br /><br />In today's era of new stats, I would like to see a stat showing batting average and RBI in the late innings of close games, over a player's career, and over each season. This stat would unearth some remarkable baseball knowledge, and would show many just how good Clemente was.<br /><br />(I would also like to see how Billy Williams did with that statistic. He was a great clutch hitter in his prime.)Stan daMannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-83231614574434492342011-10-03T04:39:56.950-04:002011-10-03T04:39:56.950-04:00Sorry I took so long responding, but I've spen...Sorry I took so long responding, but I've spent three years looking for George Sisler. Still haven't found him. No Duke Snider either. But on balance, the best top 100 baseball list I've ever seen. Much better than Sporting News. My own top 10 -- 1) Ruth, of course 2) Ty Cobb 3) Walter Johnson 4) Ted Williams 5) Lou Gehrig 6) Willie Mays 7) Christy Mathewson 8) Honus Wagner 9) Joe DiMaggio 10) Mickey Mantle 11) Hank Aaron 12)Rogers Hornsby 13) Lefty Grove 14) Stan Musial 15) Pete Alexander 16) Roger Clemens 17) Warren Spahn 18) Steve Carlton 19) Nolan Ryan 20) Nap Lajoie Sorry, Barry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-86338521180625658112011-09-24T04:08:32.698-04:002011-09-24T04:08:32.698-04:00Albert Pujols is the best ever.Albert Pujols is the best ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-78942066531401960812011-08-02T10:52:40.800-04:002011-08-02T10:52:40.800-04:00Steve, thanks for the comments! I think the "...Steve, thanks for the comments! I think the "great" thing is just a matter of semantics. A 140 ERA+ is certainly "great." I wouldn't necessarily call 130 "great." I think it's "very good." I do agree that "great" begins somewhere higher than 130 and lower than 140. If you look at the all-time list and remove relievers, 135 looks to be a reasonable starting point for "great."<br /><br />As for WHIP, yep, I took WHIP into consideration. The hard thing about WHIP, though, is it's not adjusted like ERA+. I think I would've focused even more on WHIP had their been a WHIP+ or something like that. I like "apples to apples" comparisons. Seaver's WHIP was outstanding and I certainly accounted for it. Also I re-read what I wrote on Seaver and I regret taking the angle that I did. Instead of explaining why he shouldn't be considered the best pitcher of all-time, I should've talked more about why he is one of the 30 best players in baseball history. That was a misguided effort on my part.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16208921021297172480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-80135394107735580772011-08-02T10:26:30.871-04:002011-08-02T10:26:30.871-04:00I like ERA+ also as a pitching stat but prefer WHI...I like ERA+ also as a pitching stat but prefer WHIP. Do you take that stat into consideration? I mean it stands to reason that if you're not giving up many hits or walks you're giving your team a pretty good chance to win. I confess to being an unapologetic Mets fan so of course I love Seaver. If you look at WHIP and remove the relievers, pre war pitchers and guys who didn't even pitch 3000 innings, Seaver looks much betterSteve Trolmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00867836534156629894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-39202968663981226542011-08-02T05:35:10.931-04:002011-08-02T05:35:10.931-04:00I realize that you did this quite awhile ago but j...I realize that you did this quite awhile ago but just had to say how much I enjoyed it. Of course there are bound to be disagreements and I certainly have some but it's great job you did.<br /><br />My question regards something you wrote about Nolan Ryan:<br /><br />"Nolan Ryan’s career ERA+ is 111. 120 is pretty respectable. 130 is getting very good. 140+ is great"<br /><br />Isn't that a bit unrealistic to set the bar so high on "great"? If you remove relievers, guys who are still playing, very old timers and guys who didn't even pitch 3000 innings that leaves you with Lefty Grove and Clemens who have a 140+. hehe. Quite exclusiveSteve Trolmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00867836534156629894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-50557933906618442212011-06-14T21:16:13.645-04:002011-06-14T21:16:13.645-04:00Pretty god list. I think Tony Gwynn and Nolan Ryan...Pretty god list. I think Tony Gwynn and Nolan Ryan are a little low. I agree that Nolan Ryan is over-rated, but he was still an amazing pitcher.Q Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01040088179809912382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-37065460875663673762011-05-11T03:22:13.189-04:002011-05-11T03:22:13.189-04:00You could have made this list a whole lot better. ...You could have made this list a whole lot better. Pete Rose should be atleast in the top 15 or 20 instead of juicers like Bonds and Mcgwire. If you want to talk about statistic's, McGwire had low batting averages (example:1991-.201<br />2001-.187 1987-.189.) Mcgwire should not be nowhere in this list, he used roids and still had bad average.<br /><br />Whitey Ford should be higher on the list for one reason : he did not pitch enough games in his prime. Casey Stengal would have Ford pitch every 5-6 games in the '50s. When Ralph Hounk became manager in '61 (Ford was 32,) he would have whitey pitch every 4 games. Whitey was a 20 game winner twice in his late thirties. Ford also missed couple of seasons due to he was in war. I would like to see Roger Maris and Thurman Munson on a mention list.Wesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-3222282965329652572011-04-16T15:11:40.812-04:002011-04-16T15:11:40.812-04:00Elfegos,
Ahhh....the truth is finally coming out ...Elfegos,<br /><br />Ahhh....the truth is finally coming out about the latest 'statistics' charade which followed the Mcgwire/Sosa charade.Google 1. Yes, Roberto Clemente really did have excellent power and 2. Roberto Clemente BR bullpen(check out the 'tools' section). Perhaps when hispanics become the MONEY demographic they'll get an accurate account in the all time pecking order.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-56527214259958207882011-03-14T18:01:42.071-04:002011-03-14T18:01:42.071-04:00this is a very thought provoking list,, it is so d...this is a very thought provoking list,, it is so difficult to rank players,,, especially for those of us who have never seen the " old timers " play.. i make my 'lists' by only ranking the ball players that i have seen in person or on the television. i also delete any player that has been tarnished by suspected peds. that said,some of 'my' greatest include griffey, pedro m. jeter, the big unit, willie mays, koufax, morgan, rose , seaver, bench, ichiro,henderson, killibrew, molitar, ripken, nolan ryan, murray, brett, steve carlton, king albert,clemente, ozzie, bob gibson, maddox, tony gwynn, thomas, alomar, sandberg, schmitt, ivan r., raines,randynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-19524002168162702672011-03-11T08:24:54.582-05:002011-03-11T08:24:54.582-05:00I think now that we know what Frank Thomas did in ...I think now that we know what Frank Thomas did in his last couple of years in the MLB, he should be taken off the list comepletley. Or, at least in the very low 90's at the best. Just a thought!Alecnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-4005621455594596332011-01-16T08:58:09.343-05:002011-01-16T08:58:09.343-05:00This is a pretty good list, but I think that you s...This is a pretty good list, but I think that you should put both Joe DiMaggio and Mickey Mantle higher. Maybe I'm just saying that because I'm a Yankee fan, but Mantle in particular deserves more that number 16. I totally agree with you otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-87127564884035663442011-01-15T18:28:44.173-05:002011-01-15T18:28:44.173-05:00There are a few minor things I would change, but f...There are a few minor things I would change, but for the most part it's a pretty good list. I think you should put Rogers Hornsby a little higher though.Quinn Edward Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-16765044466704501922010-12-11T16:55:34.700-05:002010-12-11T16:55:34.700-05:00joe d. should be in the top 10 and derek jeter sho...joe d. should be in the top 10 and derek jeter should be inthe top 100 at the least and at the max should be in the top 20 hes just like other yankee greats. and barry bonds did the steiroids and he should be in the top 20 at the max as well. and 1 one more thing pete alexander should be in the top 10. otherwise great listAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-35094439685992115712010-11-06T16:02:24.663-04:002010-11-06T16:02:24.663-04:00Thanks for the compliment, Erik! I did not take WA...Thanks for the compliment, Erik! I did not take WARP into consideration. It wasn't for any other reason than ease of obtaining ERA+ and OPS+. I'm pretty sure--maybe I'm wrong here and, if so, please let me know--that baseball-reference did not include WARP in their player stats when I started putting this list together back in 2007. Now, of course, WARP is much easier to find. I think the list probably would've been different with WARP. I can't imagine it would be that much different but I'm sure some close calls would've gone the other way.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16208921021297172480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-73999706278065046152010-11-06T10:55:29.231-04:002010-11-06T10:55:29.231-04:00Jake,
I've agreed on virtually all of your re...Jake,<br /><br />I've agreed on virtually all of your rebuttals and I like this lis a lot in general. I created a similar one back in he late-90s that created some buzz within my inner circle of sports enthusiast family and friends.<br /><br />One question I need o ask you is that I see a lot of mention by you to statistics like OPS+ and ERA+ as deciding factors in where to rank a particular player, or not.<br /><br />However I don't see much mention of WAR (sometimes referred to as WARP), which sabermetrically calculates "Win Above Replacement Player" value.<br /><br />To me this is the ultimate modern era statistic, outdoing even the aforementioned OPS+ and ERA+ if for no other reason than it combines all aspects of a players' value; hitting, running, fielding, etc. Ditto that for the pitchers.<br /><br />Did you take this stat into consideration while compiling this list? And if not do you think the ranking would look a bi different if you had?erik5150vhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05772708302627766428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13718554.post-17417604990109926212010-10-02T21:01:40.510-04:002010-10-02T21:01:40.510-04:00where is roger mariswhere is roger marisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com